Pikkon > SPC?

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Pikkon > SPC?
Tweet Topic Started: Jun 5 2014, 12:36 AM (1,861 Views)
+ Yusuke	Jun 5 2014, 12:36 AM Post #1
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Why do people even think this? Is their any reason for believing this? Yeah I get it, Pikkon kicked Cell but so what? Piccolo virtually did the same thing to 50% Frieza but I have yet to see a person argue Piccolo > 50% Frieza in the Namek Arc. Is their any valid reason for this to be true?
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Rogafufuken	Jun 5 2014, 12:39 AM Post #2
Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #10,933 Joined: February 25, 2014 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z/Kai, and Nisekoi What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball/Z, and One Piece	Not really. However, I will say that i am not that familiar with the Other World Tournament Saga.



+ Pyrus	Jun 5 2014, 12:45 AM Post #3
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Toei nonsense. Cell was down for the count because of Paikuhan's assault, not like the example you mentioned.
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+ Pelador	Jun 5 2014, 12:55 AM Post #4
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Pikkon had to be at least around the same place as the Cell that fought Goku. I put him stronger since they both trained hard to prepare for the tournament. Whether he was at SPC I'm not sure. I'm not even sure that SPC was leaps and bounds above the version that Gohan was beating on. He did have lightening which in Dragonball indicates attaining a higher level of power and he did have a more powerful Kamehameha. So he definitely was stronger. The question is how much which is difficult to answer. I dunno, Pikkon was probably between the two.
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EMIYA	Jun 5 2014, 01:06 AM Post #5
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	If I was Cell...I'd probably get the s* knocked out of me too if I was going after base Goku and some nugget perhaps as strong as SSJ Kid Gohan smashed straight into me and ran off like a drunken hit and run driver. Edited by EMIYA**, Jun 5 2014, 01:06 AM.



+ Kyouks	Jun 5 2014, 01:09 AM Post #6
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	There's what KP said, and to hone in on the "Toei nonsense" point, I'm pretty certain that the intent of the scriptwriters in that scene is to introduce a new challenge for Goku that surpasses his previous one. If you think about it, that's stupid, but if that's not the case, then the scene doesn't make much sense (given the way Toei presented it) and feels pointless. But aside from that, yeah, if Piccolo knocked Freeza down for good and then cleaned up with a sick finisher, then people would argue Piccolo > 50% Freeza.



+ Yusuke	Jun 5 2014, 01:30 AM Post #7
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Thing is it could have been very likely that he was Suppressed when that happened. After all, he was only being pitted against Base Goku. Not to mention Pikkon could only take on MSSJ Goku. I'm okay with Pikkon being close to FP Perfect Cell level but anything else is just stretching it.
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TheyGaveMeAGun	Jun 5 2014, 01:48 AM Post #8
Posts: 29 Group: Member Member #11,398 Joined: May 28, 2014	Just because Goku knocked Pikkon out of the ring does not mean that Goku>PIkkon...It happens, he found a weak spot in his attack and exploited it. Goku is a GREAT fighter. I would argue that Pikkon had Goku beat and that Pikkon>MSSJ



+ Pelador	Jun 5 2014, 01:53 AM Post #9
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	They were completely even until Pikkon did that fire move thing.
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+ Yusuke	Jun 5 2014, 02:03 AM Post #10
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	TheyGaveMeAGun Jun 5 2014, 01:48 AM Just because Goku knocked Pikkon out of the ring does not mean that Goku>PIkkon...It happens, he found a weak spot in his attack and exploited it. Goku is a GREAT fighter. I would argue that Pikkon had Goku beat and that Pikkon>MSSJ I'm not arguing Goku > Pikkon. Theoretically speaking, one could argue Pikkon is equal or above MSSJ Goku and that would put him either close or at best equal to FP Perfect Cell. All these options pretty much make Pikkon > SPC completely absurd.
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+ Pelador	Jun 5 2014, 02:12 AM Post #11
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	I don't know if they are completely absurd. We don't even know how much time went by between his introduction and the tournament. Maybe it was years later? In which case it would be entirely plausible. Heck even a few months of other world training might be enough for Goku to reach SPC or above.
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+ Yusuke	Jun 5 2014, 02:18 AM Post #12
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Pelador Jun 5 2014, 02:12 AM I don't know if they are completely absurd. We don't even know how much time went by between his introduction and the tournament. Maybe it was years later? In which case it would be entirely plausible. Heck even a few months of other world training might be enough for Goku to reach SPC or above. The tournament was before the Buu Saga began. Unless your going to argue Buu Saga SSJ Goku > SPC, theirs no way the chain can make any sense.
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+ Pelador	Jun 5 2014, 02:35 AM Post #13
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Yes it was before the Buu saga but we're never told how long after the Cell games it was. It's implied that Buu was seven years later but the fighters would have needed preparation time for the tournament. I'm not sure how strong SPC actually was. I find it hard to believe that he was anywhere near SSJ2 Gohan. Goku could have got there in seven years.
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+ Yusuke	Jun 5 2014, 02:42 AM Post #14
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Pelador Jun 5 2014, 02:35 AM Yes it was before the Buu saga but we're never told how long after the Cell games it was. It's implied that Buu was seven years later but the fighters would have needed preparation time for the tournament. I'm not sure how strong SPC actually was. I find it hard to believe that he was anywhere near SSJ2 Gohan. Goku could have got there in seven years. It's pretty much shown to happen right before the start of the saga hence it skipping straight to the High School Episodes of the Saga. Even if we were assuming that, wouldn't that make this Goku weaker than his Buu Saga counterpart? If so, that makes the Pikkon > SPC argument even more invalid then it was before.
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+ Kyouks	Jun 5 2014, 02:43 AM Post #15
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Kamikaze Pyro Jun 5 2014, 12:45 AM Toei nonsense. Erm, I suppose ignoring this will ignite some fun discussion.



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